V-03 Help

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spaz926
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V-03 Help

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Hello everybody,
I'm having some trouble figuring out what I need to do for my V03 rating. If somebody could maybe send me some good reference material for this that'd be great.
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Keith Smith
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The V-3 rating requires you to fly 2 published transitions of the LAX Class Bravo, and then to land at LAX. It includes a transcript, video, and descriptions of how to fly most of the available transitions.

Which aspect of the flight is giving you trouble?
davisd100
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Me too. The entry to the Coastal is easy enough, but the geometry of the northern part is really artificial. How you make the transition from (say) the Mini to a left downwind to RWY 25 is weird. In IFR you would get vectored, but in VFR if you do a wide arc to lose altitude to circuit height and position properly for the circuit the controller has kittens. Given the sharp altitude changes implied by any other approach, I felt like I should be flying a Stuka not a Cessna! ;)
Alex Stjepanovic
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Post by Alex Stjepanovic »

I won't get into the matters of how this ought to be done, from the point of view of a real world pilot. However he's an enhanced image of a TAC, showing the limits of the route and the affected airspace.

From the point of view of a PE controller, who's seen an increase in these transitions lately, it seems that people are most confused with when they are allowed to leave the route and how far its limits stretch.

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As can be seen, there really shouldn't be any quick turns into downwind accompanied by a JU-87 dive, simply because the route is not yet finished :)
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Davis, you are quite right and the plan is to modify it so you don't have to land at LAX on pilotedge.

In fact, I will change this now.
davisd100
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Keith,

Yes I could do it fine enough but I haven't done sideslips in circuit like that since landing in tiny fields in Canada 30 years ago! That notwithstanding this is a fantastic service. I am trying out online flying for the first time since, having given up real flying a long time ago, and PE gives it a real edge of realism.

Regards

David
Mark Hargrove
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davisd100 wrote:but in VFR if you do a wide arc to lose altitude to circuit height and position properly for the circuit the controller has kittens. Given the sharp altitude changes implied by any other approach, I felt like I should be flying a Stuka not a Cessna! ;)
I simply let the LAX tower controller know that I wanted to land at LAX after completing the Bravo transition, and he cleared me to make left traffic for 25L as soon as I crossed that runway. After making the downwind turn I asked for an extended downwind to lose altitude -- which was granted immediately. It was quite painless.

Still, it's a very artificial situation and I'm glad to hear that the landing requirement at LAX is going to be removed.

-M.
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Re: V-03 Help

Post by Keith Smith »

Alright, took a bit longer to get to this than I thought. But, it's done. The flight terminates at Torrance now instead of LAX.
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