Takeoff Clearance (extra information)

Takeoff Clearance (extra information)

Postby raphaelharboun » Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:11 pm

Hello all

I was doing the CAT04 taking off from Santa Maria.
My takeoff clearance came with something like this
"Clear for takeoff, runaway 30, right crosswind departure 1350 at 5"

I did ask to repeat the last bit because i initially though it would be wind. but it was clearly 4 digits.
Is it actually altitude to maintain within a 5nm distance from the airport ? would match a pattern alt

I didnt ask for more clarification to the controller... :oops: and just took off.

Thanks !
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Re: Takeoff Clearance (extra information)

Postby Marcus Becker » Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:08 pm

You had to have mis-heard 1350 @ 5. Most certainly had to be " Wind 350 @ 5". I could see hearing the word wind as a one.
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Re: Takeoff Clearance (extra information)

Postby raphaelharboun » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:31 am

Thanks
definitely makes more sense.
French pilot here...
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Re: Takeoff Clearance (extra information)

Postby dave_paige » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:51 am

I may be wrong but I believe the correct phraseology for this instruction should be, winds,runway,clearance, in that order, so for example...

"American 291, the winds 350 at 5, runway three zero, cleared for takeoff"

I think that provides more clarity. Maybe Keith or Peter could comment.

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Re: Takeoff Clearance (extra information)

Postby kevin meyers » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:26 am

dave_paige wrote:I may be wrong but I believe the correct phraseology for this instruction should be, winds,runway,clearance, in that order, so for example...

"American 291, the winds 350 at 5, runway three zero, cleared for takeoff"

I think that provides more clarity. Maybe Keith or Peter could comment.

Dave


I can’t find any .65 reference that specifies the order. The only thing I was able to find pertains to military (who must be issued the wind every time they takeoff or land) that actually states “RUNWAY (NUMBER), WIND (DIRECTION AND VELOCITY), CLEARED FOR TAKEOFF.”(3-9-10)

I would conclude that there is no prescribed order other than the common practice of stating the most important instruction last (ie “cleared for takeoff). Let me know if you can find another reference.

Also, while we are getting technical, “Wind” should be stated as singular, not plural.
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Re: Takeoff Clearance (extra information)

Postby Keith Smith » Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:20 am

Kevin speaks the truth, including the wind vs winds portion.
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Re: Takeoff Clearance (extra information)

Postby Medtner » Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:37 pm

I've always heard "wind's". The apostrophe is very loud in my ears.

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Re: Takeoff Clearance (extra information)

Postby kevin meyers » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:26 pm

Medtner wrote:I've always heard "wind's". The apostrophe is very loud in my ears.

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That’s very likely- a lot of people say it incorrectly.
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Re: Takeoff Clearance (extra information)

Postby Anthony Santanastaso » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:49 pm

kevin meyers wrote:
Medtner wrote:I've always heard "wind's". The apostrophe is very loud in my ears.

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That’s very likely- a lot of people say it incorrectly.


So true is the incorrect usage of “gusting” as opposed to what is correct, “gusts.” Used to take off points during performance evaluations at OKC when using such phraseology.
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