Approach gate should be mentioned in I-1 rating description

Approach gate should be mentioned in I-1 rating description

Postby joomie » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:59 pm

Hi!

Yesterday I nearly failed my second attempt to get the I-1 rating simply because I was not fully established on the
localizer (LOC) and glide slope (G/S) for the instrument landing system (ILS) approach latest one mile before the final approach fix (FAF).

I suggest that the description for the I-1 rating explains that a bit more.

Cheers,
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Re: Approach gate should be mentioned in I-1 rating descript

Postby Mudhen » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:09 pm

The onus to ensure the airplane is established on the approach rests with ATC, not the pilot. (7110.65/5-9-1, 2)
Put another way, the pilot is not responsible to be established one mile prior to the FAF.
P/E does not have PAR monitoring so, unless you’re wildly off course/altitude, there’s really no way for the controller to know whether you’re flying the approach well, or not.
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Re: Approach gate should be mentioned in I-1 rating descript

Postby joomie » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:16 pm

Okay, interesting because after both flights the controllers discussed that in a kind of mini debrief.
I googled and found this: http://www.terps.com/ifrr/feb98c.pdf

Anyway, I told the controller that my understanding is that it's up to me to catch the approach path/ glide slope after I've been cleared for an ILS approach.
But I'm not sure since there are points on the approach where one needs to decide if it'll be a missed approach and revectoring will be needed or not.

I just wanted to highlight that topic since I was quite surprised.
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Re: Approach gate should be mentioned in I-1 rating descript

Postby HRutila » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:13 pm

joomie wrote:Yesterday I nearly failed my second attempt to get the I-1 rating simply because I was not fully established on the localizer (LOC) and glide slope (G/S) for the instrument landing system (ILS) approach latest one mile before the final approach fix (FAF).

I suggest that the description for the I-1 rating explains that a bit more.

This is not a requirement of the pilot. Also, you can be considered "established" despite not being on the center of the localizer. The real issue is whether you intercepted the localizer correctly after being given the intercept heading in your clearance, and whether you commenced a descent at the appropriate time.
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Re: Approach gate should be mentioned in I-1 rating descript

Postby FDXDave » Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:51 am

"But I'm not sure since there are points on the approach where one needs to decide if it'll be a missed approach and revectoring will be needed or not."

You refering to the minums I'm guessing?... congrats on passing though. ; )
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Re: Approach gate should be mentioned in I-1 rating descript

Postby joomie » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:06 am

Thanks!
I must read a bit.
I understood minimums at points, where you must have runway in sight.
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Re: Approach gate should be mentioned in I-1 rating descript

Postby Scott Medeiros » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:48 am

Just to clarify, a missed approach can be accomplished any time the pilot deems necessary during an approach.

Some reasons to go missed...
-Full scale deflection of course or GS needles
-descent below MDA/DH without the runway environment in sight
-reaching the missed approach point or DH without the runway environment in sight
-losing sight of the airport during a circle to land
-Loss of RAIM during a GPS/RNAV/RNP Approach
-instrument or system failure
-windsheer
-unstable approach, including not being configured or on speed at a specific altitude (we use 1000' AGL at my airline)
-ATC instructions

Common error: When beginning the missed approach prior to the MAP or DH, remember to follow the lateral approach course to the MAP, or timing, before starting a turn on the published missed approach course.

Upon reaching minimums, if you see ONLY the approach lights, you can descend to 100'AGL, but you can't land until...

You can only land if...
1. Are in a position to make normal maneuvers to land
2. Flight visibility is at least what's required by the approach
3. At least 1 of the following in sight...Approach lights, runway end identifier lights (REIL), VASI, runway threshold, threshold lights or markings, runway lights or markings, touchdown zone lights or markings.
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