Southern California Fly-In Club

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Southern California Fly-In Club, Interested?

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3. Not Interested
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4. Maybe
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Re: Southern California Fly-In Club

Postby skyhog67 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:33 pm

OK...

This is my first attempt at organizing a group like this...so please be patient, I'm sure the first one might have some issues but together we can make this a fun time and learning experience.

Here is the Friday Night flight I am planning for 02/17/17... see Attchached PDF (props and turbo props, no jets) VFR only!

You can fly in real-time or like me I think I'm going to fly out at dawn on my FSX

We'll Meet at KTRM ( Cochran Regl Airport ). Fly in from anywhere between 7 and 7:30pm PST. I think it would be cool to see everyone list to the radio calls and watch everyone fly in and land but if you want to just meet on the ramp that's fine also. Let's help each other if someone makes a mistake...i want this to help me and you with real world situations at un-controlled and controlled airports.

We'll depart to North to the Palm Springs VOR, then touch and goes at KBNG and then to KSBD for ATC landings.

I will be flying a Cessna 172...N16RD call sign SkyHog (real name is Brett)

Not sure but do we need to let the controllers know head of time that our group will be landing there ahead of time? If anyone knows please advise.

Can someone volunteer to set up the DISCORD APP for Friday Night?

Well that's all for now, please send comments or suggestions by 9 PST so i can review and make any changes I deem fit.

Thanks Everyone...See you Friday and keep it in the Blue!

Brett
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Re: Southern California Fly-In Club

Postby whyp21 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:23 am

The proposed flight plan looks good to me. I hope to be able to join you.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think KTRM is below Palm Spring's TRSA (treated as class C airspace in PE), so we will need to be in contact with SoCal approach before we leave KTRM's airspace.

Thanks for setting this up!
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Re: Southern California Fly-In Club

Postby stevekirks » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:45 pm

whyp21 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but I think KTRM is below Palm Spring's TRSA (treated as class C airspace in PE), so we will need to be in contact with SoCal approach before we leave KTRM's airspace.


From Peter Grey:

"Palm Springs is special in that it has a Terminal Radar Service Area (TRSA) around it. That is the altitudes you are seeing in gray boxes around the airport. If you look carefully you'll notice the actual Palm Springs airport is Class D airspace. A TRSA can best be described as non-mandatory Class C airspace. If you contact approach you will get the same services you get in Class C airspace, however you do not have to participate."

From the AIM:

3−5−6. Terminal Radar Service Area (TRSA)

a. Background. TRSAs were originally established
as part of the Terminal Radar Program at
selected airports. TRSAs were never controlled
airspace from a regulatory standpoint because the
establishment of TRSAs was never subject to the
rulemaking process; consequently, TRSAs are not
contained in 14 CFR Part 71 nor are there any TRSA
operating rules in 14 CFR Part 91. Part of the Airport
Radar Service Area (ARSA) program was to
eventually replace all TRSAs. However, the ARSA
requirements became relatively stringent and it was
subsequently decided that TRSAs would have to
meet ARSA criteria before they would be converted.
TRSAs do not fit into any of the U.S. airspace classes;
therefore, they will continue to be non−Part 71
airspace areas where participating pilots can receive
additional radar services which have been redefined
as TRSA Service.

b. TRSAs. The primary airport(s) within the
TRSA become(s) Class D airspace. The remaining
portion of the TRSA overlies other controlled
airspace which is normally Class E airspace
beginning at 700 or 1,200 feet and established to
transition to/from the en route/terminal environment.

c. Participation. Pilots operating under VFR are
encouraged to contact the radar approach control and
avail themselves of the TRSA Services. However,
participation is voluntary on the part of the pilot. See
Chapter 4, Air Traffic Control, for details and
procedures.

d. Charts. TRSAs are depicted on VFR sectional
and terminal area charts with a solid black line and
altitudes for each segment. The Class D portion is
charted with a blue segmented line.
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Re: Southern California Fly-In Club

Postby skyhog67 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:16 pm

Keith do i need to setup anything special to use Discord for our Friday fly-in?
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Re: Southern California Fly-In Club

Postby whyp21 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:39 pm

stevekirks wrote:From Peter Grey:


Thanks Steve. I was fooled by the coverage map, which lists KPSP as a class C airport despite being class D. This tread makes it clear that the TRSA is treated as such by PE. Maybe I should go over the workshops!

https://www.pilotedge.net/pages/operati ... rvice-area
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Re: Southern California Fly-In Club

Postby stevekirks » Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:49 pm

whyp21 wrote:Thanks Steve. I was fooled by the coverage map, which lists KPSP as a class C airport despite being class D. This tread makes it clear that the TRSA is treated as such by PE. Maybe I should go over the workshops!


My mantra, but not necessarily policy is: fly PE like the real world. If a controller corrects me on something, at least I'm following the rules consistently, or doing something that would be "expected" if not actually correct for the virtual PE world. The only exception that I'm really aware of is the military-only airfields are not serviced unless you're using DCS as a simulator.
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Re: Southern California Fly-In Club

Postby whyp21 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:44 pm

stevekirks wrote:
My mantra, but not necessarily policy is: fly PE like the real world. If a controller corrects me on something, at least I'm following the rules consistently, or doing something that would be "expected" if not actually correct for the virtual PE world. The only exception that I'm really aware of is the military-only airfields are not serviced unless you're using DCS as a simulator.


Good mantra. The only other exception I can think of is that Keith clearly wants us to violate CFR 91.17 during the CAT-11 rating. :D
http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?rg ... 3.10.1.4.9
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Re: Southern California Fly-In Club

Postby Anders S » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:22 am

For me between 2000-2200z is best
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