That's what happened:
I'm flying from KWJF to KMRY, getting close to KMRI and in touch with APP. I request change of altitude (approved) to start descending to the ATP.
APP tells me something like "straight ahead 28L" I reply and start getting busy with the landing procedures (Lear 45). When I'm almost touching ground I get a call from APP saying contact tower. At that point I just landed and Tower scolded me. I shouldn't have landed without TWR clearance. However the call to switch to TWR came realllllly late.
What's the right thing to do?
Just learning, not complaining.
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ATC Timing
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Re: ATC Timing
Ask. Don't just land. Ask "Hey, should we switch to tower?" Sometimes we're busy coordinating things and we may miss something. Always ask.
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Re: ATC Timing
Landing without explicit clearance to do so, typically from the Tower, is high up on the list of no-no's. A good learning experience for you, here on PE.
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Re: ATC Timing
Often on RW frequencies, you'll hear airliners call in saying something like, "JBU390 to tower?" with a busy final approach controller. This usually will jolt the controller to send you to the next frequency. I've noticed when ILS approaches are in use, controllers will often instruct an aircraft to contact the tower over a specific fix. With visual approaches it isn't necessarily as organized. Hope these observations help.
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Re: ATC Timing
Usually the call is made on time therefore you get used to be walked through. Then you get busy with the landing checklist and forget you need to switch to something else...
I should have gone in a holding pattern until clearance.
I should have gone in a holding pattern until clearance.
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Re: ATC Timing
Well, on reaching the DH or MAP without clearance to land, initiate the go-around first, full power, accelerate, clean up and climb, then fly the published missed approach (unless otherwise advised prior), and only then go into a hold as published on the missed.TexFly wrote:.... I should have gone in a holding pattern until clearance.
Not sure if you were thinking the following, but never initiate a hold in the final approach segment.
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Re: ATC Timing
Flying a holding pattern on the final approach could be disastrous for an aircraft a few miles behind. If you feel that landing clearance will come late, the best thing to do is alert the final approach controller that you're declaring a missed approach. In that case, that controller can properly coordinate with the departure controller that will assume responsibility of you once you're on the other end of the runway, and the tower controller to hold any potential departures and/or VFR transition aircraft that could interfere with you at altitude above the field.
As I said before, asking for the frequency change if you feel the controller is distracted is the best way to avoid such a situation. Great question, though!
As I said before, asking for the frequency change if you feel the controller is distracted is the best way to avoid such a situation. Great question, though!
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Re: ATC Timing
Cleared straight in visual approach runway 28L.TexFly wrote: APP tells me something like "straight ahead 28L"
The frequency change occurred a few miles from the runway, and no, the controller(myself) wasn't distracted, as there were only one or two planes in the entire ZOA airspace altogether.TexFly wrote:When I'm almost touching ground I get a call from APP saying contact tower. At that point I just landed and Tower scolded me. I shouldn't have landed without TWR clearance. However the call to switch to TWR came realllllly late.
If you find the plane difficult to operate, a simpler plane for starters might do it.TexFly wrote:I reply and start getting busy with the landing procedures (Lear 45).
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