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Re: Upcoming workshops?
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:34 am
by Keith Smith
That was just a bit of fun, not meant to detract from the value or possibility of hosting an ATC comms workshop
My original concern was that the current user base might not be interested in a comms course, but that a workshop would bring attention from a new client base who aren't already familiar with PE. It sounds like that concern may have not been warranted, so that's good news.
Re: Upcoming workshops?
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:42 am
by jtek
bruce wrote:Good idea! Good basic procedure helps when things get a bit more complex.
Pet niggles....
"with you"
"climbing 2 6000" umm was that 6000 or 26,000?
from a not so perfect procedure man, but one who tries
Strangely enough, the AIM recommends the "climbing to"/"descending to" phraseology. But I agree; it's problematic and I avoid it.
Re: Upcoming workshops?
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:50 am
by Jeff N
jtek wrote:bruce wrote:Good idea! Good basic procedure helps when things get a bit more complex.
Pet niggles....
"with you"
"climbing 2 6000" umm was that 6000 or 26,000?
from a not so perfect procedure man, but one who tries
Strangely enough, the AIM recommends the "climbing to"/"descending to" phraseology. But I agree; it's problematic and I avoid it.
So just drop the "to"?
"Centurion 9356Y climbing 6000" sounds to me like I might be climbing
through 6000.
Oh and for the record I vote heartily for a comms workshop.
Re: Upcoming workshops?
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:52 am
by Pieces
I usually say "1600 climbing 4000" (one thousand six hundred, climbing four thousand). That way it is clear you're not at 4000 and climbing.
Re: Upcoming workshops?
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:53 am
by jtek
Pieces wrote:I usually say "1600 climbing 4000" (one thousand six hundred, climbing four thousand). That way it is clear you're not at 4000 and climbing.
Exactly.
Re: Upcoming workshops?
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:05 pm
by Jeff N
Ah, got it.
Now that I think about it, I say; "climbing through 2000 for 6000" as I doubt anyone will think I'm climbing to 46,000 in the GA planes I fly.
Re: Upcoming workshops?
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:42 pm
by jtek
Jeff N wrote:Ah, got it.
Now that I think about it, I say; "climbing through 2000 for 6000" as I doubt anyone will think I'm climbing to 46,000 in the GA planes I fly.
And even if you
were in a fancy jet, you would say "for flight level four six zero". I think I see now why the AIM has no problem recommending "for" in the phraseology. There really isn't a realistic scenario where that is going to be misunderstood.
Re: Upcoming workshops?
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:07 pm
by Keith Smith
I have to agree, flight levels resolve the ambiguity. I've settled on "[current altitude] climbing/descending [target altitude]" long ago.
Re: Upcoming workshops?
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:59 pm
by Ryan Geckler
And if someone was climing to FL460 there would be some broken regulations
Re: Upcoming workshops?
Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:49 am
by Rush
Any workshops coming up? Was wondering if these will start back up any time soon.