Re: Appropriate action...
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:57 am
In this circumstance there was nothing the controller could do. We had 5 in the pattern with an additional 4 or so inbound to land, so they were busy. (This is pretty typical at KLAF.) I was conducting a touch and go in a Skyhawk. Once I departed, a Cirrus was cleared for takeoff behind me. I watched him in the rear window while my student was climbing on upwind. Spacing looked fine then.
A normal pattern calls for turns to be made within 300 feet of pattern altitude. The Cirrus pilot turned early, and while conducting his turn from crosswind to downwind, almost hit us while we were making the same turn. The Cirrus was faster and therefore had a wider turning radius. With his wings up and belly facing our windscreen, he could not see us. It was an honest mistake.
The FAA determined there was roughly 150 feet of separation. How they determined that, I have no idea. We are one of few Class Ds that don't have a radar display. (Most do.) The nearby approach control's radar can pick up targets at around 2,500 feet MSL, but our pattern altitude is 900 feet lower than that.
It's not always a matter of the tower controller pulling tricks out of a hat. No 360, downwind or upwind extension would have resolved it. I don't even think a tower radar display would have helped because it's not an effective pattern management tool. To the controllers' credit, they do an excellent job without one. Our peak days see 600-900 ops a day.
A normal pattern calls for turns to be made within 300 feet of pattern altitude. The Cirrus pilot turned early, and while conducting his turn from crosswind to downwind, almost hit us while we were making the same turn. The Cirrus was faster and therefore had a wider turning radius. With his wings up and belly facing our windscreen, he could not see us. It was an honest mistake.
The FAA determined there was roughly 150 feet of separation. How they determined that, I have no idea. We are one of few Class Ds that don't have a radar display. (Most do.) The nearby approach control's radar can pick up targets at around 2,500 feet MSL, but our pattern altitude is 900 feet lower than that.
It's not always a matter of the tower controller pulling tricks out of a hat. No 360, downwind or upwind extension would have resolved it. I don't even think a tower radar display would have helped because it's not an effective pattern management tool. To the controllers' credit, they do an excellent job without one. Our peak days see 600-900 ops a day.