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lesson learnt
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:12 pm
by mmerelles
I am so happy withe PE, something new to learn every flight.
1. When ATC transfer you to ground and he says contact .X (point X) it means 121.X. On big airports ground frequencies are 121.X where X is an odd number to speed up transfer.
2. When a controller tells you resume own navigation, it is only for lateral navigation. You are not authorized to change your latest vertical instruction you received.
Maybe you already knew all this, i just wanted to share my experience for someone else unaware of this.
Happy flying

Re: lesson learnt
Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 4:42 am
by slushfly
Thanks for these tips.
Questions for those who know what they're doing:
1. After landing, when a tower controller tells you "taxi via A N", are you still obliged to call ground control for taxiing permission? That is, is this instruction from the tower controller informative only, or also authorizing?
2. If you've had a transponder setting during a VFR flight, say 6612, and you land and taxi for immediate takeoff on a VFR flight without a flight plan, I assume you need to reset the transponder code to 1200 before takeoff, correct ?
3. When requesting clearance for a VFR flight prior to takeoff, should you ask for “VFR advisories” or “clearance” ?
Re: lesson learnt
Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 4:45 am
by slushfly
One more question:
4. I hear others say "with the weather" instead of "with information Hotel". Is this now an accepted or recommended term in real flying, or is it only used in PilotEdge ?
Re: lesson learnt
Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 5:32 am
by chevyrules
slushfly wrote:Thanks for these tips.
Questions for those who know what they're doing:
1. After landing, when a tower controller tells you "taxi via A N", are you still obliged to call ground control for taxiing permission? That is, is this instruction from the tower controller informative only, or also authorizing?
2. If you've had a transponder setting during a VFR flight, say 6612, and you land and taxi for immediate takeoff on a VFR flight without a flight plan, I assume you need to reset the transponder code to 1200 before takeoff, correct ?
3. When requesting clearance for a VFR flight prior to takeoff, should you ask for “VFR advisories” or “clearance” ?
4. I hear others say "with the weather" instead of "with information Hotel". Is this now an accepted or recommended term in real flying, or is it only used in PilotEdge ?
1. No need to contact ground. It was a taxi instruction. Common practice with a Delta airport.
2. Depends on what type of airport you're flying out of. If it is a Class D or uncontrolled airport, no need for the transponder code anymore and yeah you can set it to 1200( this assumes these airports are not under a Charlie or Bravo airspace or you will be remaining clear of the airspace above). If you're departing out of a Class C or B airport, you'll probably get a new code( if the controller doesn't give you a new code, you can always ask if your present code is still good to make sure). Once you leave the airspace, you can terminate radar services and you'll be told to squawk VFR and frequency change approved.
3. You ask for a clearance. If you want VFR advisories/flight following, you request it within your clearance. " Lindberg Clearance Baron 727CR requesting a VFR departure to Long Beach airport with flight following at 6500 ft with the weather"
4. It is a pilotedge thing since each persons sim is not going to have the same ATIS code for the same airport. Now you can still say the code if you want to be remain 100% accurate and the controllers will accept it, but that explains why other pilots will say with the weather.
Re: lesson learnt
Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 7:23 am
by Keith Smith
The official term is actually "have numbers" if you have the weather only rather than the full ATIS. It's acceptable to use "have numbers" in real life, although, ATC may well ask you to listen to the ATIS for liability reasons if there are pertinent NOTAMs.
A pilot might be using a digital weather source to pull the weather down in a real airplane, hence the allowance for just having the numbers rather than a full ATIS.
Re: lesson learnt
Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 11:34 am
by mmerelles
another question please:
You are arriving KBUR vía LYNXX8 arrival. The controller says cross KOPLE at and maintain 14 thousand, you acknowledge that. But several miles still to KOPLE the controller says cross JANNY at and maintain 8 thousand, you acknowledge that.
Question:
do you still have to comnply KOPLE at 14 thousand, then continue descending to JANNY for 8 thousand?
or
KOPLE 14 thousand restriction no longer has any effect and you may also cross it even lower descending to JANNY 8 thousand?
thanks!!!
Re: lesson learnt
Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 12:14 pm
by Keith Smith
The second crossing instruction cancels the first.
The first instruction is given by LA Center, the second will be given by Joshua Approach. Those are 2 different 'controllers' (even if it's the same person on PilotEdge).
If the second controller stilled needed the KOPLE instruction, he/she would restate it as part of the JANNY instruction.
Re: lesson learnt
Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 12:57 pm
by mmerelles
Thanks for clarificarion Keith