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I know I have been exposed to this answer but I just cant recall how to properly do it.

I am at P20 (AVI SUQUILLA) right now looking for a flight to KHND (HENDERSON EXECUTIVE) here is my flight plan:

http://skyvector.com/?ll=35.28777829055 ... :A.K2.KHND

BE58/A
Weather atm is not VFR appropriate

Do I take off VFR then contact approach and file this plan in the air?
Do I pre file this plan on PE client then call approach on the ground?
From reading the chart I think I call 119.2?
Do I file/fly the CLARR2 Approach or is what I have ok?

Thanks...

If weather is not VFR, a VFR departure, IFR or pure VFR, is not permissible. Yes, you would file and call for clearance on the ground - from Skyvector's P20 airport page:

APCH/DEP SERVICE PROVIDED BY LOS ANGELES ARTCC (BLYTHE RCAG) ON FREQS 128.15/285.6

You would call LA Center 128.15 and ask for clearance to Henderson.

Not sure since I don't work the airspace (I don't work any airspace for that matter...), but be advised that the CLARR is, if I recall correctly, only assigned to jets (even though its not stated on the chart). I think Keith said it in one of his workshops somewhere. Plus the 13k altitude and 250knot speed restriction may not be possible in a Baron. I would just file a normal flight plan and not file a STAR - see what the controllers give (or wait until the magical guru of ATC/ a controller responds to this post). None of the available STARs' are really feasible IMO, but then again, I'm not a controller...

Edited for spelling.

1. file the flight plan on pe client

2. contact la center 128.15 (see remarks on the p20 airport) and ask them IFR to HENDERSON
tell them who you are, where you are, and request IFR

3. They will give clearance and initial heading, altitude, freq. and squak. They will also authorize you to change freq to CTAF and ask to contact them back once airborne

4. CLARR2 is restricted for JETS.
A better route to me should be P20 PKE EED BLD KHND (you will shave also +50 nm)

hope this helps and maybe somebody more experienced than me can post as well

Actually they won't give you a heading - you should fly an odp if one exists (find takeoff minimums for any departure procedures when departing uncontrolled fields)

They could give you an enter controlled airspace but usually wouldn't unless they had traffic.

Edit here are takeoff mins found at bottom of Skyvector airport page

PARKER, AZ
AVI SUQUILLA (P20)
TAKEOFF MINIMUMS AND (OBSTACLE) DEPARTURE PROCEDURES
AMDT 1 14261 (FAA)
TAKEOFF MINIMUMS: Rwy 1, std. w/min. climb of 275’ per NM to 2700 or 1800-21⁄2 for VCOA.
DEPARTURE PROCEDURE: Rwy 1, climb heading 012° to 1400 then climbing right turn to intercept PKE VORTAC R-067 to PKE VORTAC. Rwy 19, climbing right turn to intercept PKE VORTAC R-067 to PKE VORTAC.
VCOA: Rwy 1, obtain ATC approval for VCOA when requesting IFR clearance. Climb in visual conditions to cross Avi Suquilla airport at or above 2100 then proceed on PKE R-067 to PKE VORTAC.

Disregard

I think many blanks that I was missing have been cleared up, why I didn't catch the "departure services provided by" part in the airport page I don't know?

The other part that was concerning me was the tunnel in and around those MOA's, my flight plan was avoiding them as I had it in my mind that I was starting the flight VFR and was going to fly under the weather and not over the 10000 level for the Turtle MOA. Once I got in contact with center and get cleared up I was going to be fine.

It would seem that I was confusing getting a VFR flight following after departure type procedure rather than a true full IFR which is what I should have been focusing on.

Thanks guys...as always great information and very helpful.

Assuming that MOA isn't active no reason you can't file a route right through it

MOA isnt a Restricted airspace, it's an airspace typically activated by NOTAM. Depending on the altitudes of it it could be activated by ATC FL180 and above though

If you're VFR you can fly right through any MOA

Bob,

Weather atm is not VFR appropriate

Do I take off VFR then contact approach and file this plan in the air?

Wouldn't one preclude the other?

To be clear the Weather was just like what you had on your stream today...I had just flown into the field VFR but was cutting it close.

...but yea, you condensed the entire issue down to the root cause of my problem.

Its quite clear now that I am on the other side of the foggy veil I was in atm. :faceplam: