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Hi,

Yesterday I was going from KLAS to KSAN in a Dash-8 Q400, I filed BOACH6 TNP LYNDI4 at FL220. Upon requesting clearance, my DP was changed to MCCRN4, and then to a heading for vectors to LAS, with direct to GFS then TNP replacing the DP. When I questioned this, it was explained that turboprops are not given DPs at KLAS and that this has been the real-world situation for a couple of years, with PE just catching up with this.

Having re-checked the DPs, I see no type restrictions stated, nor is there anything in the remarks on SkyVector, so I'm a bit confused. I don't doubt the accuracy of the explanation but my question is whether there is any way that I could have found this out before filing? Appreciate there will always be local SOPs/local knowledge that I won't necessarily have access to, but I just want to make sure I'm looking in the right places.

Cheers,

Jamie

Jamie,

Just because the SID/STAR doesn't have a restriction published on it, that doesn't mean that the ATC facility doesn't have restrictions written in their standard operating procedures. Another example of this is with the CLARR2/CRESO3 arrival into LAS. Both of these STARs don't have any restrictions about what types of aircraft they are for, however the CLARR2 is turbojet only and the CRESO3 is non-turbojet only (per air traffic control's standard operating procedures).

The reasoning for these restrictions is typically because they don't want the jets and props on the same routing due to the fact that it would be very difficult to sequence them due to the speed differential.

Hi Kevin,

Thanks, thought it might just be SOP, my question was more, in the absence of specific local knowledge, is there anywhere I can actually see this sort of thing ahead of time or is it always a "suck it and see" type thing?

Cheers,

Jamie

Jaime,

Typically not. Occasionally you may see it in the NOTAMs, but I think that's fairly rare.
The other thing you can do is search on Flightaware, but it may be hard to find pistons and turboprops going in/out of an airport like Las Vegas amidst all of the airliner jet traffic.

Thanks, in which case I'll stop worring and just roll with in

Just like to get it right first time if I can.... Not that that happens much

Not a problem . Reroutes are all part of IFR flying and, quite frankly, a great learning experience every time it happens on PilotEdge. It allows you to work on briefing/setting up an entirely new procedures all while still having to fly your airplane and work the radios at the same time.

kevin meyers wrote: Reroutes are all part of IFR flying and, quite frankly, a great learning experience every time it happens on PilotEdge. It allows you to work on briefing/setting up an entirely new procedures all while still having to fly your airplane and work the radios at the same time.

I second that! Not only does it keep every flight fresh, I find the "semi-unexpected" an enjoyable challange.

Don