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Last week I had problems with my (Milviz) Beech Baron losing both engines when taxiing and even after receiving take off clearance.

Very embarrassing - resolved to study throttle procedure better.

It was reassuring (with a slight smile) to see the Cat 2 video with Keith 'lean of peak' Smith's Baron gradually sinking to earth.

Nice emergency landing and post episode investigation though - thanks Keith.

Cheers.

No question, it was not my finest moment. I failed to recognize all the signs from the instrumentation that the mixture was becoming too lean for continued operations, and then when the stove(s) did quit, I failed to execute the proper flow for a restart. There were a few reasons for this (primarily expectation bias and lack of familiarity with the systems of the Baron) but it was still a wake up call and a truly poor performance.

I'm comfortable that I won't have the engine fail in my real airplane in this particular manner (failing to recognize incorrect mixture) because the vibration is impossible to miss, HOWEVER, the fact that I didn't handle the emergency properly once it took place is the real area for improvement.

On reflection, I think you did a great job Keith.

After all - you were trying to entertain / educate many people at the time - as well as flying an aircraft.

Hehehe

I tried to get a comment in on the tape... but I was really quiet and it probably didn't make the cut... something like "You applied full rental power again?"



Those were Keith's words when I lost my engines in XP10 a long time ago in the Avanti... I was a noob and basically firewalled them LOL - I survived a teardrop back to the field though woot!

Keith Smith wrote:No question, it was not my finest moment. I failed to recognize all the signs from the instrumentation that the mixture was becoming too lean for continued operations, and then when the stove(s) did quit, I failed to execute the proper flow for a restart. There were a few reasons for this (primarily expectation bias and lack of familiarity with the systems of the Baron) but it was still a wake up call and a truly poor performance.

I'm comfortable that I won't have the engine fail in my real airplane in this particular manner (failing to recognize incorrect mixture) because the vibration is impossible to miss, HOWEVER, the fact that I didn't handle the emergency properly once it took place is the real area for improvement.

While you say "it was not my finest moment" I think it's a one of the best PilotEdge moments I've ever seen. It's the canonical use of the PE environment to safely stop and learn what you did and why without balling up thousands of dollars of equipment and priceless flesh and bone. The best part was the discussion about real-world indications like cockpit and control vibrations that would help alert you to issues long before what we saw in the sim.

Keith, that one live video really underscores why every private pilot should have a basic simulator setup in the home and practice with PilotEdge. VFR or IFR alike--managing cockpit work without distraction is the key for real and sim pilots and this will stick with me for a long time...

And here I thought this was about correct LOP settings. I love the Milviz BE55.

John

stevekirks wrote:

Keith Smith wrote:No question, it was not my finest moment. I failed to recognize all the signs from the instrumentation that the mixture was becoming too lean for continued operations, and then when the stove(s) did quit, I failed to execute the proper flow for a restart. There were a few reasons for this (primarily expectation bias and lack of familiarity with the systems of the Baron) but it was still a wake up call and a truly poor performance.

I'm comfortable that I won't have the engine fail in my real airplane in this particular manner (failing to recognize incorrect mixture) because the vibration is impossible to miss, HOWEVER, the fact that I didn't handle the emergency properly once it took place is the real area for improvement.

While you say "it was not my finest moment" I think it's a one of the best PilotEdge moments I've ever seen. It's the canonical use of the PE environment to safely stop and learn what you did and why without balling up thousands of dollars of equipment and priceless flesh and bone. The best part was the discussion about real-world indications like cockpit and control vibrations that would help alert you to issues long before what we saw in the sim.

Keith, that one live video really underscores why every private pilot should have a basic simulator setup in the home and practice with PilotEdge. VFR or IFR alike--managing cockpit work without distraction is the key for real and sim pilots and this will stick with me for a long time...

^ this.

I was extracting the highlights from the workshop today with an intention of grabbing 3 videos, the CAT-1, CAT-2 and CAT-3. The 1 and 3 are probably going to be used for the rating pages themselves, so I extracted those first. While I was finalizing the ending time stamp for the "CAT-2 Disaster", twitch deleted the video. It was exactly 2 weeks to the minute that the video stream was started. _Painful_. My fault for not highlighting it sooner to preserve. I'm just posting this in case anyone was wondering why the CAT-1 and 3 were saved but the #2 Disaster was not. It wasn't intentional, I would've liked to have kept it.

...I would've liked to have kept it.

Take it here, Keith: https://yadi.sk/i/YySk2Yc4xv3HP

No need anymore? Need to free the space.