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Posted: **Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:00 am**

Hi guys

I've only been simming for 2.5 years and only a couple of months ago started using Vatsim. I've known about pilotedge for a while but decided to give it a month and see how I get on. Ive flown 3 flights so far, 2 as VFR and 1 IFR. Ive had a blast and I anticipate keep holding of my membership and learning as much as I can! In my 2.5 years simming I would say I have learnt more IFR than VFR though so Im really enjoying blowing the cobwebs off my Skylane and Comanche. I've already completed the CAT2 and intend to work my way through the rest asap. I'm also working through the youtube workshops by Keith, really enjoying absorbing all the information around airspace procedures etc.

Anyhow in my short time on the network I just have a few questions..one issue is the phraseology on the other side of the pond because I'm from the UK and my time on Vatsim has been concentrated around European operations.

Sometimes I hear other pilots say "I have the numbers" during their calls, what does this mean? Is it a subsitute for saying the information letter in reference to current weather?

If I am doing a VFR flight to a towered airport and told to "enter left downwind". If I am placed on the other side of the airport and therefore have to fly over the field what is the normal procedure. My thoughts are I should cross over the field at midfield then make the necessary turn onto the downwind leg correct? Im assuming I should never fly over the runway approaches from either side for obvious reasons.

Im sure I will have a lot more questions but I'm a pretty quick learner and cant wait to finish the CAT ratings and work my way through all the tutorials. Keep up the great work because I am thoroughly impressed so far.

Cheers
Sid

Posted: **Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:26 pm**

"HAVE THE NUMBERS"
From the FAA JO Order 7110.65 ("US ATC Bible")

DEPARTURE INFORMATION
Provide current departure information, as appropri- ate, to departing aircraft.
a. Departure information contained in the ATIS broadcast may be omitted if the pilot states the appropriate ATIS code.
b. Issue departure information by including the following:
1. Runwayinuse.(Maybeomittedifpilotstates “have the numbers.”)
2. Surface wind from direct readout dial, wind shear detection system, or automated weather observing system information display. (May be omitted if pilot states “have the numbers.”)
3. Altimeter setting. (May be omitted if pilot states “have the numbers.”)
REFERENCE−
FAAO JO 7110.65, Para 2−7−1, Current Settings.
c. Time, when requested.
d. Issue the official ceiling and visibility, when available, to a departing aircraft before takeoff as follows:
1. To a VFR aircraft when weather is below VFR conditions.
2. To an IFR aircraft when weather is below VFR conditions or highest takeoff minima, whichever is greater.
NOTE−
Standard takeoff minimums are published in 14 CFR Section 91.175(f). Takeoff minima other than standard are prescribed for specific airports/runways and published in a tabular form supplement to the FAA instrument approach procedures charts and appropriate FAA Forms 8260.
e. Issue the route for the aircraft/vehicle to follow on the movement area in concise and easy to understand terms. The taxi clearance must include the specific route to follow.
f. USAF NOT APPLICABLE. An advisory to “check density altitude” when appropriate.
REFERENCE−
FAAO JO 7210.3, Para 2−10−6, Broadcast Density Altitude Advisory.
g. Issue braking action for the runway in use as received from pilots or the airport management when Braking Action Advisories are in effect.
REFERENCE−
FAAO JO 7110.65, Para 2−7−2, Altimeter Setting Issuance Below Lowest Usable FL. FAAO JO 7110.65, Para 3−1−8, Low Level Wind Shear/Microburst Advisories.
FAAO JO 7110.65, Para 3−3−5, Braking Action Advisories. P/CG Term− Braking Action Advisories.
h. When the ATIS is unavailable, and when the runway length available for departure has been temporarily shortened, controllers must ensure that pilots receive the runway number combined with a shortened announcement for all departing aircraft.
PHRASEOLOGY−
RUNWAY (NUMBER) SHORTENED
EXAMPLE−
“Runway Two-Seven shortened.”

With that^ being said, you should still grab then "ATIS" if it is available for specific airport information that "have the numbers" doesn't cover. Many don't know that PE has a ATIS system that is available http://www.myflightroute.com

Posted: **Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:47 am**

Awesome thanks Kyle. What about the procedure entering the pattern from the opposite side of the field?

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:26 am**

At a towered airport, 98% of the time you'll be told to enter the pattern that is on 'your side' of the runway (as long as you are accurate with your location reporting). In the rare case the tower needs you to cross the runway, just aim to enter the downwind near the departure end of the runway. If there is other traffic in the area, the controller will let you know so that you can plan accordingly the best way to get to the downwind. But again, at a towered field, most of the time you should be told to enter the pattern on the near side of the runway.

Posted: **Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:54 am**

If it reaches a point where you would need to cross directly overhead the airport to enter the leg of the traffic pattern being requested by ATC, they'll normally clarify and instruct you to cross overhead midfield (this was common at KSQL where I used to train when approaching from the west, they'd have you cross overhead to enter right downwind rwy 30). Otherwise, as Andrew said, in most cases, you'll either receive instructions to enter traffic on the side of the airport that's most convenient based on your position, or, if you're far away enough from the airport, you can cross over to the 'other side' of the traffic pattern by flying through the extended center line without it causing an issue with other traffic since you're still several miles from the field.

An example of this would be the SBP to SMX flight. You might be told to enter a right downwind for rwy 30 even if you're slightly SW of the rwy 30 center line. Simply drift to the NE until you're set up for right traffic, then fly a 120 course to enter a right downwind for rwy 30.

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