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Question for the experts:

If I'm taking off from an airport and landing to another airport within the SAME airspace...
do I need to ask "airspace access" authorization to ATC before taking off? Or...how does it work?

Thanks.

I'll let the tower of the departing airport know my intentions, they'll tell me when to switch frequencies handing me to the other tower's control.

Uncontrolled Airport (Class E/G Airspace):

VFR Departure - Depart at your discretion. After airborne, remain clear of Class A/B/C/D airspace until communicating with ATC.

IFR Departure - Obtain ATC clearance and release prior to departure to be afforded separation from known IFR traffic.

Caveat - If you intend to depart an uncontrolled airport VFR to pick up an IFR clearance in the air, there is no guarantee that ATC will immediately be able to issue an IFR clearance. Just be prepared for that. This tends to be a bit more of an issue with approach control than center due to the nature of approach controller workload.


Controlled Airport (Class B/C/D Airspace):

Communicate intentions with the tower and they will provide appropriate services for either VFR or IFR departure, including any necessary frequency changes.

Jason Chandler posts these Safer Skies Through Education notices on his forum. I thought this one was relevant to this thread:

FAA Safety Team | Safer Skies Through Education
Air Traffic Control Tower - Letter to Airmen
Notice Number: NOTC3310

Available through a link below, is a Letter to Airmen from the Troutdate, Oregon Control Tower. You may be wondering why we are sending you a Letter to Airmen from Troutdale (TTD) Tower and you don't even operate near TTD. That's because the problem is not just at Troutdale!

Have you recently been issued "hold short" instructions by a Control Tower and you acknowledged with just your "N" number or even worse, the infamous "roger"? What happens next is the controller tries to get you to say the proper response. This is not because the controller is "having a bad day" and is hassling you. This has been leading to some interesting radio dialog and ties up valuable radio time.

All the Air Traffic Control Towers have been mandated to emphasize the use of proper radio phraseology concerning "hold short" instructions as stated in the AIM. Also please note to always use your "N" number or call sign when acknowledging ATC clearances/instructions.

EXAMPLE #1
Controller Phraseology; "November One Two Three Four Five, Hold Short of Runway Three Zero Left at Kilo"
Pilot Response: "November One Two Three Four Five, Hold Short of Runway Three Zero Left at Kilo",
or
Pilot Response: "Cherokee Three Four Five, Hold Short of Runway three Zero Left at Kilo"

EXAMPLE #2
Controller Phraseology: "Piper 54321, hold short Runway Two Eight"
Unacceptable Responses: "Piper 321, holding short"
"Holding short"
"321"
"November 321, roger"

Acceptable Responses: "Piper 321, hold short Runway Two Eight"
"November 321, hold short of Two Eight"

Complacency and/or the lack of radio discipline has led to numerous runway incursions and other types of miscommunication. We have been getting feedback from Control Towers that many pilots are not using the proper response to acknowledge ATCT clearances/instructions. Please maintain safety and professionalism by adhering to proper and precise radio communications.

For more information and examples see the TTD Letter to Airmen and the Aeronautical Information Manual (AIM).

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