Seeing as the guiding philosophy behind all ATC comms seems to be "less is more", I'm interested to know if this is really a good practice... and why.
Cheers, y'all.
Why does GROUND control care about.....
Why does GROUND control care about.....
I've been listening quite a bit of PE recordings lately, and have noticed that most pilots seems to state (1) whether they are VFR or IFR and (2) their destination airport, along with their request to Ground for taxi. I can understand this if there is no Clearance Delivery (CD) controller at that field, but I'm not sure why this is important information for Ground in the case where you have already provided that information to CD.
Seeing as the guiding philosophy behind all ATC comms seems to be "less is more", I'm interested to know if this is really a good practice... and why.
Cheers, y'all.
Seeing as the guiding philosophy behind all ATC comms seems to be "less is more", I'm interested to know if this is really a good practice... and why.
Cheers, y'all.
-Cyrus Kapadia. A few RW hours in a C172, then a 15 year hiatus. Joined PE in Dec'12, then took a break. Now I'm back, learning fast and loving it. If I'm on, it's usually between 22h and midnight EST with Baron 258E, Skyhawk 176CM or Learjet 66L.
Re: Why does GROUND control care about.....
Hello Cyrus,
The AIM in section 4-3-20 (page 218) provides direction on requests for taxi and gives the following example:
“1. Request for taxi instructions prior to departure. State your aircraft identification, location, type of operation (VFR or IFR), and the point of intended first landing.
Example-
Aircraft: Washington ground, Beechcraft 13159 at hanger 8, ready to taxi IFR to Chicago”
In real life (and on PE), I also add the ATIS code. I’ve found that in real life if I don’t add it, they’ll often ask if I have it. Just saves a step… By the way AWLAYS read back hold short directions. At many airports, the hold short direction it is SOP for the ground controllers to give pilots that direction when telling pilot s to taxi to a runway (like Addison KADS near Dallas).
I can answer this question only from a pilot’s point of view, but I’m sure they pass this along to the tower, so when you call the tower once you’re at the run way, they know where you’re going and it saves the tower time from having to ask you when controlling active traffic in the air. Once I’m at the runway, I call the tower and say “call sign, ready for take-off”. They already know where I’m going and the directions I'm expecting from them.
The AIM in section 4-3-20 (page 218) provides direction on requests for taxi and gives the following example:
“1. Request for taxi instructions prior to departure. State your aircraft identification, location, type of operation (VFR or IFR), and the point of intended first landing.
Example-
Aircraft: Washington ground, Beechcraft 13159 at hanger 8, ready to taxi IFR to Chicago”
In real life (and on PE), I also add the ATIS code. I’ve found that in real life if I don’t add it, they’ll often ask if I have it. Just saves a step… By the way AWLAYS read back hold short directions. At many airports, the hold short direction it is SOP for the ground controllers to give pilots that direction when telling pilot s to taxi to a runway (like Addison KADS near Dallas).
I can answer this question only from a pilot’s point of view, but I’m sure they pass this along to the tower, so when you call the tower once you’re at the run way, they know where you’re going and it saves the tower time from having to ask you when controlling active traffic in the air. Once I’m at the runway, I call the tower and say “call sign, ready for take-off”. They already know where I’m going and the directions I'm expecting from them.
Rob G.
Private Pilot
Instrument Airplane; ASEL
Private Pilot
Instrument Airplane; ASEL
Re: Why does GROUND control care about.....
Thanks Rob! I'm getting so caught up in what we're doing on PE, that I forget it's all based on and aligned with the AIM standards and procedures.
I've now bookmarked the AIM, and will refer to it prior to making such a post next time.
I've now bookmarked the AIM, and will refer to it prior to making such a post next time.
-Cyrus Kapadia. A few RW hours in a C172, then a 15 year hiatus. Joined PE in Dec'12, then took a break. Now I'm back, learning fast and loving it. If I'm on, it's usually between 22h and midnight EST with Baron 258E, Skyhawk 176CM or Learjet 66L.
Re: Why does GROUND control care about.....
NO PROBLEM...! I love to talk about flying.
Rob G.
Private Pilot
Instrument Airplane; ASEL
Private Pilot
Instrument Airplane; ASEL