1. If I'm wanting to fly IFR from Catalina to KONT, I'm not sure who to call for clearance. The VFR chart seems to indicate that I would call SoCal App on 125.35, but I can't tell at all from the IFR chart. I feel that I'm missing something very fundamental here.
2. When I'm sitting on the ramp at Catalina, do I monitor and announce my ground intentions/movements on CTAF (and then my movement out of the area), or do I just stay on comms with SoCal Departure from taxi onwards? (same question applies to VFR with flight following).
Cheers.
IFR Clearance from non-towered
IFR Clearance from non-towered
-Cyrus Kapadia. A few RW hours in a C172, then a 15 year hiatus. Joined PE in Dec'12, then took a break. Now I'm back, learning fast and loving it. If I'm on, it's usually between 22h and midnight EST with Baron 258E, Skyhawk 176CM or Learjet 66L.
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julio.elizalde
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Re: IFR Clearance from non-towered
If you were to look at the Airport and Facility directory, you would see SoCal approach listed as the departure and approach frequency for KAVX as 127.40.
After Socal issues an IFR clearance, they'll either ask you to advise them when you're ready to depart or will issue a void time for your clearance. You have to be off the ground by the time they state, or you'll have to request another clearance. Once you receive the time, you'll be expected to switch to CTAF at the uncontrolled airport, make your way to the runway, take off, and then once airborne and clear of the pattern, you'd call up SoCal while executing your initial departure instruction or departure procedure.
After Socal issues an IFR clearance, they'll either ask you to advise them when you're ready to depart or will issue a void time for your clearance. You have to be off the ground by the time they state, or you'll have to request another clearance. Once you receive the time, you'll be expected to switch to CTAF at the uncontrolled airport, make your way to the runway, take off, and then once airborne and clear of the pattern, you'd call up SoCal while executing your initial departure instruction or departure procedure.
Julio Elizalde
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Re: IFR Clearance from non-towered
Wow. How embarrassing. Didn't even think of looking at the AFD.julio.elizalde wrote:If you were to look at the Airport and Facility directory, you would see SoCal approach listed as the departure and approach frequency for KAVX as 127.40.
I'm tempted to delete the post now... but I guess I'll leave it out there in the hope that someone will feel sorry for me and buy me a beer one day.
Thank you, Julio.
-Cyrus Kapadia. A few RW hours in a C172, then a 15 year hiatus. Joined PE in Dec'12, then took a break. Now I'm back, learning fast and loving it. If I'm on, it's usually between 22h and midnight EST with Baron 258E, Skyhawk 176CM or Learjet 66L.
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julio.elizalde
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Re: IFR Clearance from non-towered
No worries. We're all learning something new every day, which is one of the great perks of our passion for aviation. Happy flying!
Julio Elizalde
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Keith Smith
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Re: IFR Clearance from non-towered
Cyrus,
If you were talking to Socal on the ground at Catalina during your taxi and takeoff, it would render the CTAF useless. You pick up the clnc from Socal, then swap to the CTAF, announce the takeoff, clear the pattern then swap to Socal. They'll radar ID you and then you're off and going.
In addition to the AFD, you can get the local app freq from any of the instrument approaches published for that field.
For further reading, try the transcript in the I-8 rating as well as the reference material on one-in, one-out operations. It covers a flight from AVX to SAN. I know you keep putting off the training program and doing your own thing, but as you can see, as your start rolling your own flights, you're going to run into lots of situation that are covered by the training program
If you were talking to Socal on the ground at Catalina during your taxi and takeoff, it would render the CTAF useless. You pick up the clnc from Socal, then swap to the CTAF, announce the takeoff, clear the pattern then swap to Socal. They'll radar ID you and then you're off and going.
In addition to the AFD, you can get the local app freq from any of the instrument approaches published for that field.
For further reading, try the transcript in the I-8 rating as well as the reference material on one-in, one-out operations. It covers a flight from AVX to SAN. I know you keep putting off the training program and doing your own thing, but as you can see, as your start rolling your own flights, you're going to run into lots of situation that are covered by the training program
Re: IFR Clearance from non-towered
The only reason I keep putting it off is because I'm having too much fun buzzing around ZLA, not knowing what the hell I'm doing, and driving you guys crazy...Keith Smith wrote:I know you keep putting off the training program and doing your own thing, but......
Just kidding! Your point is well taken, actually. In fact, tonight might just turn out to be my V3 night!lolKeith Smith wrote:...rolling your own flights
-Cyrus Kapadia. A few RW hours in a C172, then a 15 year hiatus. Joined PE in Dec'12, then took a break. Now I'm back, learning fast and loving it. If I'm on, it's usually between 22h and midnight EST with Baron 258E, Skyhawk 176CM or Learjet 66L.