"climb via SID"

[Keith Smith]

For better or worse, the "Climb via SID" phraseology is in effect in the National Airspace System and on PilotEdge. For those who are unfamiliar, check out: https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices ... ia_FAQ.pdf

If you're cleared via a SID that has published altitude restrictions, you will hear "climb via SID" in the initial IFR clearance.

If the SID has published restrictions AND a 'top altitude' (ie. an initial altitude to which you should climb, depicted in the text, such as the BOACH SID at KLAS), that will be your initial altitude, complying with any restrictions along the way.

If the SID has published restrictions but does NOT have a published 'top altitude', (such as the CANOG SID for RWY 16R at KVNY) then ATC will also include "except maintain [altitude]" as part of the initial clearance. This means you will comply with the charted restrictions on the SID, but stop any climbs at the issued altitude.

If the SID has no published restrictions, such as the CATH SID at KPSP, (MEA's don't count as restrictions) then "climb via SID" will not be issued.

The ATC transcript in the I9 rating need to be updated to reflect this. A workshop will be conducted in the future to review these changes.

Yes, we are as wild about it as you are, and are simply ecstatic about having our controllers adapt this dynamic phraseology for 40 different airports.

[Steven Winslow]

Rather than listening to music when I run errands in town, I listen to our local (KBZN) ATC with the liveATC app. I started hearing the "climb via SID" phrase sometime in the past couple of weeks. Our controllers have also offered pilots the option to climb on course or climb VFR if they can provide their own obstacle and terrain avoidance. Interestingly, a guy yesterday said he'd take the SID.

[wmburns]

Is this change something to make a topic for a PilotEdge Workshop?

When I first read this, it didn't hit me that the pilots need to report the "climb via" or "descend via" to the next ATC controller.

[twharrell]

Should have read this prior to yesterday, shouldn't I have, Keith? ; )

Todd