too noob for PE?
too noob for PE?
I am currently downloading p3d, can I at the same time get setup on pilot edge? My first few flights I will have literally zero experience and no idea how to talk to atc. I might even crash on the runway and not beable to read or understand GPS. Is this ok? or do I need a certain level of competence before I join? I dont want to annoy any atc or piss anyone off.
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Peter Grey
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Re: too noob for PE?
This is a bit of a tricky question.
If you've never flown a flight sim, never interacted with ATC in any environment and don't know the first thing about flying then PilotEdge isn't for you.
On the other hand if you are generally familiar with the procedures you are going to be using and don't "over extend" yourself then PilotEdge may work out for you.
We get a lot of pilots who are over eager and immediately get in over their head. For example if you don't know what a VOR is, you 100% shouldn't fly IFR here until you know what it is and how to use it (or use a GPS to replicate it).
If you really have "zero experience" then this isn't the best place for you most likely. In that case I'd recommend VATSIM or IVAO which are free ATC networks that are able to handle a 0 experience pilot. They don't have some of the benefits of PilotEdge, but they have training materials for taking someone who has never flown and giving them some experience.
A good "test" you can run to see if you might be able to fly here is to do the "V1 test" available here: http://training.pilotedge.net/object/v1Rating.html offline.
If you could do this test offline, fly the airplane around the pattern, not crash it, and you generally understand the transcript provided then you should be able to succeed here at PilotEdge. If that's the case I'd *highly* recommend the Pilot Rating program that we have available.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
If you've never flown a flight sim, never interacted with ATC in any environment and don't know the first thing about flying then PilotEdge isn't for you.
On the other hand if you are generally familiar with the procedures you are going to be using and don't "over extend" yourself then PilotEdge may work out for you.
We get a lot of pilots who are over eager and immediately get in over their head. For example if you don't know what a VOR is, you 100% shouldn't fly IFR here until you know what it is and how to use it (or use a GPS to replicate it).
If you really have "zero experience" then this isn't the best place for you most likely. In that case I'd recommend VATSIM or IVAO which are free ATC networks that are able to handle a 0 experience pilot. They don't have some of the benefits of PilotEdge, but they have training materials for taking someone who has never flown and giving them some experience.
A good "test" you can run to see if you might be able to fly here is to do the "V1 test" available here: http://training.pilotedge.net/object/v1Rating.html offline.
If you could do this test offline, fly the airplane around the pattern, not crash it, and you generally understand the transcript provided then you should be able to succeed here at PilotEdge. If that's the case I'd *highly* recommend the Pilot Rating program that we have available.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Re: too noob for PE?
ok thanks peter, that is the info I am looking for. I should get more familiar with the general ATC and IRF components of flying. I will work on that then sign up.
Re: too noob for PE?
Keith did some fantastic workshops, and the videos are here: http://www.pilotedge.net/workshops
They build on each other, so I'd recommend going to the bottom of that page and running thru them one-by-one, as you have time.
Take your time and build your skills up. Just like learning how to drive a car, there are a lot of "rules of the road" to learn. But, learn them and keep practicing... it'll get easier each time!
- Gavin
They build on each other, so I'd recommend going to the bottom of that page and running thru them one-by-one, as you have time.
Take your time and build your skills up. Just like learning how to drive a car, there are a lot of "rules of the road" to learn. But, learn them and keep practicing... it'll get easier each time!
- Gavin
- PP ASEL, instrument, complex, high performance
- Member AOPA, EAA, IMC Club, Piper Owner Society
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- Member AOPA, EAA, IMC Club, Piper Owner Society
- Cherokee 180C owner
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whoispankaj
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Re: too noob for PE?
Yea..I definitely recommend a couple of books which i have been reading through..
1. Private Pilot Handbook by Rod Machado..Awesome book..good to read
2. Say Again Please..3rd Edition. This coupled with Pilot edge workshops should get you going.
3. Radio Mastery for VFR Pilots: Everything you need to know to talk to Air Traffic Control: Jeff Kanarish
This should get you up and running...
Pankaj
1. Private Pilot Handbook by Rod Machado..Awesome book..good to read
2. Say Again Please..3rd Edition. This coupled with Pilot edge workshops should get you going.
3. Radio Mastery for VFR Pilots: Everything you need to know to talk to Air Traffic Control: Jeff Kanarish
This should get you up and running...
Pankaj
Re: too noob for PE?
I personally made it to online flying by a different route and have a slightly different "take" regarding how to have fun and learn on PilotEdge.
The PilotEdge work shops are GREAT and IMO are well worth the time. The other references are good as well. But but some people may not take that 1st step due to the steep learning curve.
Remember that a journey of a 1000 miles begins with a single step. But that 1st step is still required.
When I stated flying on Vatsim, I took the typical route of using an advanced plane (737) with TONS of automation. It would be fair to say that I almost never "flew" the plane as the Auto pilot and GPS did 99% of the work. But during this time I was learning HOW to plan flights and how to talk to ATC.
In effect I was doing the job of the co-pilot.
But in my own case I was completely taken back just how much "work" was involved with talking to ATC and managing the plane at the same time. But with practice it became easier. I now fly simpler airplanes taking on more "flying" duties. But most importantly I'm still learning and enjoying the challenge.
Soooo My recommendation. If you can:
* take off and fly run way heading.
* land on an ILS
* maintain a heading on command (using autopilot)
* maintain an altitude (using autopilot)
* find and enter a flight plan into your sim's GPS (simroutes.com for example)
Then you can "fly" online and have fun.
Regarding where to fly on PilotEdge or Vatsim, IMO the choice depends on your goals and expectations.
My experience with Vatsim was the ATC was very inconsistent. The range from great to just plain terrible. I also found that much of my time was spent chasing down an online controller. All too often the controller would log off before I could complete the flight plan.
During slow times, I found that some of the Vatsim controllers would take time to briefly explain things over the radio. The Vatsim controllers often didn't follow established SID's/STARS (even though they were filed).
The PilotEdge ATC is virtually always top shelf. The ATC is always online during published hours. No more "chasing down" online controllers. Which for me is a huge time/hassle saver.
It may sound like I'm bashing Vatsim and I'm really not intending to. But for me, I rarely fly Vatsim any longer and much prefer PilotEdge (I do fly selected Vatsim events). But please don't let this stop you from taking that 1st step (regardless which one).
The PilotEdge work shops are GREAT and IMO are well worth the time. The other references are good as well. But but some people may not take that 1st step due to the steep learning curve.
Remember that a journey of a 1000 miles begins with a single step. But that 1st step is still required.
When I stated flying on Vatsim, I took the typical route of using an advanced plane (737) with TONS of automation. It would be fair to say that I almost never "flew" the plane as the Auto pilot and GPS did 99% of the work. But during this time I was learning HOW to plan flights and how to talk to ATC.
In effect I was doing the job of the co-pilot.
But in my own case I was completely taken back just how much "work" was involved with talking to ATC and managing the plane at the same time. But with practice it became easier. I now fly simpler airplanes taking on more "flying" duties. But most importantly I'm still learning and enjoying the challenge.
Soooo My recommendation. If you can:
* take off and fly run way heading.
* land on an ILS
* maintain a heading on command (using autopilot)
* maintain an altitude (using autopilot)
* find and enter a flight plan into your sim's GPS (simroutes.com for example)
Then you can "fly" online and have fun.
Regarding where to fly on PilotEdge or Vatsim, IMO the choice depends on your goals and expectations.
My experience with Vatsim was the ATC was very inconsistent. The range from great to just plain terrible. I also found that much of my time was spent chasing down an online controller. All too often the controller would log off before I could complete the flight plan.
During slow times, I found that some of the Vatsim controllers would take time to briefly explain things over the radio. The Vatsim controllers often didn't follow established SID's/STARS (even though they were filed).
The PilotEdge ATC is virtually always top shelf. The ATC is always online during published hours. No more "chasing down" online controllers. Which for me is a huge time/hassle saver.
It may sound like I'm bashing Vatsim and I'm really not intending to. But for me, I rarely fly Vatsim any longer and much prefer PilotEdge (I do fly selected Vatsim events). But please don't let this stop you from taking that 1st step (regardless which one).
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Keith Smith
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Re: too noob for PE?
Many people start in 737's on VATSIM because there is better ATC coverage at larger airports than at smaller airports, and they see most people flying those aircraft on the network as a result.
I agree with the walk before you run metaphor but would take it a step further and suggest getting into a 172 or another single engine piston trainer. Fly without ATC and simply work on the fundamentals:
- straight and level flight
- turns
- climbs and descents
- slow flight
- ground reference maneuvers
- navigation
Then worry about ATC and airspace (that would be the time to add PilotEdge)
Autopilot, IFR procedures and turbine equipment can come later, just my advice.
Making student pilot errors in a 172 at a small field is par for the course. It's another matter to jump in a 737 from LAX to LAS and have little to no idea what you're doing. That will not be well received by the controllers.
I agree with the walk before you run metaphor but would take it a step further and suggest getting into a 172 or another single engine piston trainer. Fly without ATC and simply work on the fundamentals:
- straight and level flight
- turns
- climbs and descents
- slow flight
- ground reference maneuvers
- navigation
Then worry about ATC and airspace (that would be the time to add PilotEdge)
Autopilot, IFR procedures and turbine equipment can come later, just my advice.
Making student pilot errors in a 172 at a small field is par for the course. It's another matter to jump in a 737 from LAX to LAS and have little to no idea what you're doing. That will not be well received by the controllers.