Things you wish you knew-Getting started with PilotEdge

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Things you wish you knew-Getting started with PilotEdge

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I've been listening to PE ATC for the last couple of days and I find that I wish I could be "in the right seat" with some of the new folks that are showing up on PE lately. In that spirit, I thought I'd open a thread, post my notes and hope other do the same. I'll update this post with the content that shows up below and send it to Keith and team in case they find it helpful as a FAQ.

Last update at 6-2-15 at 2210Z

Website links:

MyFlightRoute:

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http://myflightroute.com
AirNav:

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http://airnav.com
Equipment suffixes:

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http://flightaware.com/about/faq_aircraft_flight_plan_suffix.rvt
Before logging in stuff:

* There's an assumption on the network that you know and understand the basics or flying an airplane and using a navigation chart.
* You should be able to track an airway, understand the basics of VOR navigation and know the legs of a standard traffic pattern.
* Get charts: AirNav (http://airnav.com) and SkyVector (http://skyvector.com)
* Simulator weather is up to you, but a controller is generally expecting real world weather. If you are simulating something else, let the controller know.
* Always pull up the airport taxi chart and be familiar with the labeled taxiways
* Pay attention to the frequencies for clearance delivery, ground and tower. They sometimes vary based on what side of the airport you might be on
* Take a bathroom break before getting in front of the sim.
* Military airfields are not covered by PE. Use the published CTAF and treat it as an uncontrolled field.
* Learn to love myflightroute.com
* It may seem like overkill to watch all the PE Workshops if you're not a real world pilot and/or don't plan on becoming one, learning the rules and information will make your life and the life of the controller a lot easier.
* Don't try to "wing it" when flying on PE. Ensure you are adequately prepared for your flight before you make it.
* PilotEdge is a training network but respect the real world procedures and rules.


PE Login Etiquette:

* PilotEdge uses the rules of the real world. Remember that always.
* You'll need a valid callsign for the aircraft you're using. Try this link (http://myflightroute.com/number.php?) and have it generate a callsign for you. Avoid using the callsign of the aircraft in the sim.
* Connect at a ramp or parking slot. NEVER connect using a runway number or "active" runway. PE assumes that this is the real world and airplanes don't appear at the end of the runway unexpectedly.
* Before you fly online, try connecting at an airport at the ramp, tune to the ground frequency and listen. Get a feel for the rhythm of the comms. Make some notes about questions you have and come back to the forums and ask here.
* Clearance Deliver/Ground/Tower are "shared" by a controller, so you'll hear people at different airports for different calls. Pay attention to this difference so you don't get confused.
* Do not pause your simulator without express permission from the controller or PE staff.
* When you key the mike, be concise, just like in the real world. If it helps, write down what you need to say before you say it. The training videos really help out with this. Example: "__ Tower, United 2253 Short of __" where the first blank = what tower and the second blank = what runway.
* Controllers aren't frustrated with you--they are realistic. If they don't get an immediate response, they start to plan for the possibility that your radio has failed and you could be a danger to other traffic.
* If you are having technical problems with your sim, tell the controller and offer to disconnect as not to be a hazard to other pilots.

First Flight:

* Squawk Mode C or Squawk Altitude means turn on your transponder to the "altitude" setting. In some simulators, flipping the switch in the airplane will turn it on for a controller to see. In FSX or P3D, it generally does not--use the provided client. If in doubt, turn on the transponder while sitting at your parking spot.
* It's OK to ask questions but don't jam the frequency with a conversation. The support email address (support@pilotedge.net) and these forums can answer many questions.
* Seriously consider doing the Pilot Training program and PE first flight no matter your experience online or in the sim.
* Make your first flight in the aircraft you're most comfortable with that's not a jet with an FMC/FMS. Do three laps of the pattern at a towered field. What you're learning here is not flying, but a method to deal with radio calls, other pilots, congestion on the frequency and basic ATC stuff.
* Don't make your first flight IFR.
* Also, when calling for taxi you need to state your position on field (using a description from the chart) and the ATIS information.
* When ground gives you taxi instructions, they will expect you to get to the hold short point (marked on the chart) and call tower on your own.
* When holding short of a runway, report "ready for departure" and avoid using "takeoff" when you call in to avoid confusion.


VFR flights:

* Read all about TEC routes on the training webpage. In real world SoCal airspace, TEC routes are the rule, not the exception. Controllers will change your flight plan to match a tech route. Here's a link to find TEC routes.
* VFR flights at different airports have different rules. Most new users connect at KSNA John Wayne and forget that it's a Class Charlie. That means you have to call clearance delivery to tell them what you want to do before calling ground for taxi.
* Always get the weather and tell the first movement controller (ground usually) that you have "the numbers" or "the weather". Again, myflightroute.com to the rescue.
* If you don't know what something means, either ask or admit it - don't go along with it and then violate airspace restrictions because you don't know how to find or follow a procedure.
* Do not switch off the established frequency unless directed to change to another specific controller or until you hear "Frequency change approved".
* "Resume on navigation" does not mean your cut loose and on your own, it just means that you are to continue your flight as planned. If it's a VFR flight, maintain the VFR rules while continuing to monitor the current frequency. If in doubt, ASK.

General Etiquette:

* When contacting a controller after a handoff, omit "with you" and always use full callsign and altitude. Example: "N123AB level five thousand five hundred VFR" or "Southwest 224 flight level one nine two climbing flight level two three zero"
* Don't step on people when keying the mike. If the controller is working the ground position, you'll hear other pilots. Allow for a brief pause after each transmission to allow time for the controller to issue a landing clearance and the other pilot to do the readback. If need be, read it back in your mind a little slower than you actually would to allow time for the other aircraft to respond.

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That's it for now...I'll add yours above the line.
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Just to add a few things (to a fantastic post by the way):

-While it may seem like overkill to watch all the PE Workshops if 1) you're not a rw pilot, 2) don't plan on becoming a rw pilot, or 3) "don't have the time", learning the rules and information will make your life and the life of the controller a lot easier. Don't try to "wing it" or go straight to IFR because you can copy down a clearance. Make sure you can track airways, know your aircraft, know the airspace, etc... and are adequately prepared for a certain flight before you make it. Watching all the workshops beforehand is what I would recommend, although I personally had a lot of extra time - its perfectly fine to watch them as you go. The important thing is to watch them.

-Please follow the training ratings if you aren't already comfortable with the concepts (and even if you are) - they'll get you acclimated to the PE environment.

-Don't use the excuse "its a training network" - sure, it is and no one is saying you can't make mistakes. But hopping on in a jet for a first flight and copying someone else's flight plan, etc... won't do anyone any good. PE has potential for learning and fun, but the fun comes after and as a result of learning. I don't know about everyone else, but it isn't exactly fun for me if I'm sweating bullets thinking, "hopefully the controller doesn't catch me".

-If you don't know what something means, either ask or admit it - don't go along with it and then bust a Bravo because you don't know how to find an ODP. The controller will appreciate it more than pretending you haven't heard his instruction (and the resulting exchange of cat and mouse clogs up the frequency).

-Be concise, no need for the "life story". I personally prefer (no rw experience, no formal flight training, all sim), "__ Tower, United 2253 Short of __". First plan = what tower, second blank = what runway. Also, calling for taxi you need, 1) position on field (i.e. SE ramp or Atlantic Aviation - the controllers know where all the labeled buildings are, they might have to look it up, but they know) and the ATIS (i.e. with the numbers, with ___ (i.e. Alpha, Bravo, Charlie). ___ Ground, United 2253 SE Terminals with Delta, taxi.

-As mentioned, PE controllers more often than not work multiple positions. It makes their job a lot easier if you call in and include the name of the radar station your calling (i.e. "Vegas Tower" as opposed to "Tower"). Especially important at the beginning of a flight at, for example, clearance.

-Squawk Mode C/Squawk Altitude = Turn on your transponder

-Don't call a controller, airborne or on the ground, unless you know where you are.....

-"With you" is not needed when checking in - Socal Approach, United 2253 level 5000 = good (as opposed to Socal Approach, United 2253 with you level 5000)

-Don't step on people. If the controller is working the ground position, you'll hear other pilots. Allow for a brief pause after each transmission to allow time for the controller to issue a landing clearance, etc... if need be. If you can't hear the other pilots (i.e. controller is only working the "top" positions such as Center and APP), when a controller issues an instruction, read it back in your mind a little slower than you actually would to allow time for the other aircraft to respond).

-Equipment suffixes can be found here: http://www.pilotedge.net/pilot_tools/file if you have an account. Controllers are asking for the navigational equipment onboard - I'll post a link later if someone doesn't beat me to a FAA source. Examples include /A (Slant Alpha) - DME, Transponder with Mode C, Non-RVSM, /L - RNAV with GNSS, Transponder with Mode C, RVSM (the big 738, 777, a320, etc...), and /U - No DME, Transponder With Mode C, Non-RVSM

http://flightaware.com/about/faq_aircra ... suffix.rvt

-ATIS is not provided by PE, there is more information elsewhere in the forums. Long story short, you can give your own weather code (i.e. Bravo), use "with the numbers"/"with the weather", or some other variation that gets the point across concisely. Its generally accepted to change clouds, visibility, etc..., but changing winds can get dicey if your gusting 30kt tailwinds from the South at KSNA when they're landing 20's RW - especially if its a busy day.

Edited for typos.
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I know this is a very simple one but it's one that I made the mistake on 3 separate times when I started!

Do not switch off the established frequency unless directed to change to another specific controller or until you hear "Frequency change approved". "Resume on navigation" does not mean your cut loose and on your own, it just means that you are to continue your flight as planned and if VFR within VFR rules while continuing to monitor the current frequency.

Also it is not necessary to confirm ATC's direction to "stand by" ;)
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Updated with the notes from above, edited for consistency.
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You got me scared for a second that I repeated about 5 things ;)
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Nelson L. wrote:You got me scared for a second that I repeated about 5 things ;)
Actually, it's all good stuff. I'm trying to get the basics in here first, then edit later for a "one pager" that someone could print out and refer to. What's crazy is the first flight and ratings all cover this stuff. Read the rating, watch the sample video, read the transcript and fly the rating test. Easy peasy.
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Nelson L. wrote:Please follow the training ratings if you aren't already comfortable with the concepts (and even if you are) - they'll get you acclimated to the PE environment.
Ha! I beat you to it! I think one of the downfalls of the training ratings is that someone first joining PE may not actually find out about them until a "Cessna 123AB, where in the world are you going?"

10 points for anyone who can guess who that is ;)

PS - The bathroom tip touched my heart. I think my record is 3 breaks from sim start-up to calling for taxi for closed traffic....
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Nelson L. wrote:PS - The bathroom tip touched my heart. I think my record is 3 breaks from sim start-up to calling for taxi for closed traffic....
It's something that still comes up for me...I'll be taxing out thinking "man, I need a drink of water" then "man, I need to not drink water!"
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More:

* Controllers aren't frustrated with you--they are realistic. If they don't get an immediate response, they start to plan for the possibility that your radio has failed and you could be a danger to other traffic.
* If you are having technical problems with your sim, tell the controller and offer to disconnect as not to be a hazard to other pilots.
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Agreed on both points - just to clarify (is it just me or have I been using that phrase a lot?) -

If your radio has actually failed, I wouldn't classify it as disconnect-worthy unless your in the middle of a fly-in (provided your wing hasn't fallen off - i.e. you can safely keep going). Lost-comms situations can be great training for both pilots and controllers. Speaking of that, Keith, Peter, Tim, or "other", are the controller-induced failures still in consideration with the network growing at such a rapid pace? If so, if Peter or Keith is controlling, and the network is quiet, would you guys be OK with us putting in the remarks "feel free to fail radio" or "feel free to fail___"? It would add another dimension to the "training" aspect of the service, although I imagine its a lot of work to train controllers and implement such a system.

Edit - Actually, I dispute the first claim - controllers can get very frustrated, especially if its busy. You can usually tell though; great incentive to not mess up...
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