First try, and beginner questions

Stubsound
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First try, and beginner questions

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Hi.

Had my first experience on PE last night. I started at KSNA GA parking (west), contacted ATC for radio check, then for taxi and pattern work. Oh boy, I didn't anticipate how nervewrecking this would be. I got really nervous, and started to question myself on every little thing, looking frantically at the airport diagram every 10 seconds.

Anyway, I got clearance to take off from 19R, and flew 4-5 patterns. For being a rookie, I think it went quite well. The controller gave me clearance for the option either on upwind or crosswind each time. However, for my third pattern, he didn't contact me, and I had just turned final. Remember the nerves? Well, they kicked in again, but I decided to contact tower saying "3 Sierra Echo on final". Again, I got cleared for the option, all well.

Then, I decided to exit the runway after landing, and it sort of went downhill from there. I didn't catch what the controller said, and responded something like "3 Sierra Echo... eeh... go ahead?" I believe he said "Stationair 3 Sierra Echo, say intentions", and I responded "3 Sierra Echo, looking to park at... eeerrr... wherever... I don't know *nervous laughter*".

The controller was cool about it, and said "Stationair 3 Sierra Echo, join Bravo, remain this frequency, good night".

This experience raised a couple questions:

1a) What would have happened if I had landed after the third pattern without clearance?

1b) Should I have contacted tower earlier?

2a) Is it ok to exit the runway without being told to do so?

2b) What should I have said after landing when I had no idea where to park?

Well, just my first thoughts and experiences. To be clear - I did have a great time, and I'd recommend everyone interested in flight sims to check out Pilotedge. I really want to learn and get better at it, but I didn't expect to get so nervous :-)

Thank you.
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The nerves are normal, most people get over that in time. Kudos to you for starting out with a simple flight.

To your questions:
1a) You'd be violating a FAR if you landed without a clearance on a real world flight. The onus is on you to obtain one.
1b) Yes, I wouldn't recommend turning base until you have your landing clearance, or have been at least acknowledged by ATC. If you haven't heard anything, go with, "tower, <callsign> turning base."
2a) yes
2b) you should have had an idea where to park, that is part of preflight planning :) The reality is, though, you can park anywhere in the non-movement area (ie, not on the taxiway) once you cross those dashed lines (not the hold short line just off the runway, but the dashed line that delineates movement/non-movement areas). "parking at the hangars straight ahead," "FBO", "base of the tower" are all options for parking.
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Re: First try

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Thanks a lot, Keith. Appreciate all the help I can get.

No doubt, I will be doing pattern work for a while, and hopefully move on from there.

What is FAR?

I realize that I should know where to go after landing, but didn't think of that before I was airborne, and then I felt a bit overwhelmed. I will plan for that next time.

Thanks again.
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FAR is a Federal Aviation Regulation. Those are the rules which are in effect when you conduct a flight in US airspace.
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Re: First try

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Ah, I see. Thank you.
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If for some reason you're on final, you haven't received your landing clearance, and can't get a hold of the controller, just go around. This happened to me the other day in a real airplane, when the airport became busy and the tower frequency was congested by other pilots. Sometimes these things happen!
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NameCoin wrote:If for some reason you're on final, you haven't received your landing clearance, and can't get a hold of the controller, just go around. This happened to me the other day in a real airplane, when the airport became busy and the tower frequency was congested by other pilots. Sometimes these things happen!
That can definitely happen if you were on a straight-in approach, but if you follow the practice of not turning base until you have your sequence (ie, a landing clearance or expected landing clearance), it would be very rare for it to happen. All that said, you're absolutely right, if you're about to touch down and don't have the clearance, whatever the reason, you do need to go around.
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Re: First try

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NameCoin wrote:If for some reason you're on final, you haven't received your landing clearance, and can't get a hold of the controller, just go around. This happened to me the other day in a real airplane, when the airport became busy and the tower frequency was congested by other pilots. Sometimes these things happen!
Thanks a lot for sharing. Truly appreciate it.

I did consider going around at first, but decided to contact tower and let him know where I were instead. It didn't occur to me that extending my downwind, and/or contact ATC when turning base would be the right thing to do, but there you go. I'm on PE to learn and to build confidence.

Great info, guys. Love it :-)
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Re: First try

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Another question: am I not supposed to hear myself in the headset when I'm talking to ATC? I believe it would be helpful since English is not my native language.

Thanks.
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Re: First try

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Stubsound wrote:Another question: am I not supposed to hear myself in the headset when I'm talking to ATC? I believe it would be helpful since English is not my native language.

Thanks.
You would need to configure that on your own. If you're using Windows, go into your Playback Devices, right click your headset, click properties, click the levels tab on the top, and then you can adjust the mic volume (in regards to the playback through your headset, there. It is typically muted by default.

If you're using a Mac, then I'm not sure how to go about it.
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